Right now it’s about 4 inches — which is way too big. I might be okay with three, but I know it’s not what they want. They want two. Two inches maximum. What am I to do? Cutting it is painful, to say the least. Torturous even. At best it just doesn’t feel right. Hell, if I had my way it would be five inches if not more!
I’m of course talking about the thickness of my printed manuscript.
I’ve been working on fixing it, line by line, one word at a time and while it’s true that I’m managing to reduce my word count, I’m finding it very costly. What is the cost, you ask? I feel like I’m deleting my own voice from it. I’m trading word count for style. That can’t be good, right?
I’d like to put a question out to all my published author friends. If I decide to e-publish I can keep my inches and be happy with my manuscript. Size only matters to a publishing house. Am I correct?
For all the readers out there, how do you feel about buying a thicker-than-usual book? Do you give it a chance or do you pass it over? Of course if it’s an e-book, you won’t necessarily even know how long it is until after you buy it–I never do, since the size isn’t in direct relation to the cost.
Does size matter to you?
March 16, 2015 at 7:39 am
Personally, I prefer bigger books. Given the typical expense, I like to feel that I’m getting my money’s worth, rather than 20+ bucks for amusement in a single bathroom break. That’s not to say a shorter book can’t be good, I just like ’em thick.
There’s also something deeply alluring about a big, heavy sheaf of pages to me. Books appeal to me on a lot of levels, and the physicality of a 500+ page beast is very attractive to me.
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March 16, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Me too! As long as it’s good enough to want to get through…
Thanks for your input, Kaine. 🙂
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March 16, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Well, I seem to be lacking the gene that can tell “good” from “bad” in artistic endeavors, so I tend to push through and read on anyway… XD Though some are more enjoyable than others, and devouring a really GOOD short book in a day tends to make me sad, so…
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March 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm
Good=I like it, in my experience. That’s all we need to know. 🙂
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March 6, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Diana Gabaldon’s Outlander series has some monstrous books, but people live them. I know I do! Also, I’m a bit of a cheapskate, so it’s nice to know I’m getting more bang for my buck with a bigger book.
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March 6, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Apparently at a book signing, Diana Gabaldon offered people a dollar if they could open her book at any given point and read a page and honestly not want to read the whole thing. From what I remember, she said she didn’t give away a cent. Her series (which I counted is roughly 7500 pages long so far) inspired me more than I can say, and I hope my story is a tenth as good as hers.
Anyway, enough rambling…
That’s a good point – there’s definitely something to be said for spending your money on something that’s going to last you only a few hours. Thanks very much for your comment! 🙂
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March 6, 2014 at 3:23 pm
Love love love her stuff! Honestly I admire you for being able to write a story so big that you’re worried about it!
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March 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm
To be honest, when I first wrote it I had no idea I was going to have this trouble with the word count. So I just went on my merry way, telling the story as it came to me. I was all happy when I finished and then it was like disaster struck – I have to cut it in at least half!?!
In many ways it wrote itself – kind of like a fantasy that plays out in your head. The hard part was the perseverance to keep typing.
Thanks very much for your kind words. 🙂
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March 6, 2014 at 3:36 pm
You’re welcome! 🙂
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March 6, 2014 at 6:33 am
I actually prefer longer books as they tend to delve a little more deeply into the characters and their motivations etc.
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March 6, 2014 at 2:08 pm
Good to know! Especially since my fiction is hugely character-driven. Thanks for your input, Jenni 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 7:52 pm
As a reader with administration and project management experience, not as a writer, the way I deal with the need to “reduce the scope” is to ask a brave someone who knows me well, and sometimes loves me well, for their advice about where to cut. They are detached enough from the project but connected enough to me to let me know where I might be too attached to something that’s good, but maybe not necessary. Every time I’ve trusted someone to help in this manner, I’ve been reassured. Either they have helped me to remain confident to keep the scope (and then deal with related cost and time issues) or after the reduction, the project has been better. Keep at it, Linda! I’m rooting for you 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Thanks very much, Angie! I’m still looking to find beta readers who know a thing or two about what to look for. I’m looking forward to the process! 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:14 pm
Good for you! Curious, will you find your beta readers through your blog? If so, that would be yet another great reason for being so generous and transparent with your blog. They will already have shown that they care about you and your words 🙂 If not, just please excuse my ignorance in these matters!
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March 6, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Actually, if it wasn’t for my blog I would only have a couple of beta readers… I’m hoping for maybe six. So yes, I’ll definitely be putting the word out here on WP when I’m ready. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Size doesn’t matter!
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March 5, 2014 at 6:00 pm
Good to know, thanks 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Think you have to go with what will truly allow you to showcase the story you want to tell. If cutting it will make the story too hasty or ruin the flow, then don’t cut. Some of my favorite books have been mammoths and taken ages to read, but in an enjoyable way because the story was fully flushed out. And I enjoyed every page/word of it.
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March 5, 2014 at 4:33 pm
It’s that flushing out – the details that go into descriptions of places, things, characters, and actions which build a world the reader can become immersed in. And it’s the details I’m dropping…
This is very encouraging! Thank you, my dear. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 4:00 pm
I wonder if they told Jean M. Auel to keep it to 2 inches? Because if they did, she failed that brief with her last book.
Go with what you feel would be best for you and your book Linda. 🙂
Take care my friend.
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March 5, 2014 at 4:07 pm
She went over the limit with all her books I think – but they were wonderful! A perfect example of a story I didn’t want to leave.
Thanks very much for your encouragement, Sue. Much appreciated. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 4:09 pm
Any time Miss Linda 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 3:02 pm
NO!!
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March 5, 2014 at 3:03 pm
Thanks, Willow!!! 😉
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March 5, 2014 at 12:43 pm
I am currently re-reading The Brothers Karamazov, so you just know I am not afraid of thick books. Don’t sacrifice your voice.
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March 5, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Thanks, Lance. I’m starting to lean that way.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:33 pm
You might want to check out the reviews for The Goldfinch–a very large book.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:34 pm
Thanks – I’ll do that 😀
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March 5, 2014 at 12:21 pm
If it is messing with the flow of the book, then leave it in. Cutting for the sake of cutting is not good. If it makes the book better and more concise/tight, then by all means go for it.
Personally, I prefer larger books. I also think in paranormal romance the ladies that enjoy the genre are very concerned by “size”… 😉 Bigger is better.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Haha! Thanks, Papi. As I said in an earlier comment, the story itself is already pretty tight and yes, now I’m just chopping out words for the sake of word count.
You make a very good point on the genre, funny aside. If it’s good enough for those who enjoy the genre to get lost in it, then probably the longer the better.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:20 pm
If it’s good, then the bigger the better. Just a like a movie, when the book is good, you don’t want it to end.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Agreed. Some of the best books I’ve read are also the longest. Am I that good? Have to wait and see. But your comment certainly puts another peg on the side of quality over length. Thanks for that. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 3:29 pm
You’re welcome. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 3:32 pm
🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:56 am
Reblogged this on Illicit By Nature.
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March 5, 2014 at 11:53 am
I agree with those who said quality over quantity. The length should be however long it takes to tell your story using tight, polished writing. I’ve recently posted a list of writing tips that includes a few thoughts on how authors tighten their prose. I work in a library–many patrons go for short books, but plenty of others don’t mind long–it’s what’s inside that matters.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm
I agree wholeheartedly. The story is already pretty tight – I’ve taken it from 214K to 165K in two edits. Polishing is both adding and subtracting words, so in my effort to reduce word count I’m condensing – to the detriment of the piece.
Thanks very much for your input, Marcia. Your perspective is much appreciated. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:49 am
I love big books, I cannot lie! As long as it is well-written, holds my interest and moves without bogging down.
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March 5, 2014 at 11:57 am
That’s exactly it. I’m making it boring by taking the flow out of it along with the words that make it flow.
I mean seriously, when you read a book you don’t read every single word… some of them are just there to help you float – to keep your eye moving along. Do you agree?
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March 5, 2014 at 1:28 pm
I do
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March 5, 2014 at 2:31 pm
Good to know. Thanks Pamela.
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March 5, 2014 at 11:42 am
I actually get annoyed at small books. I feel cheated. I’m a book hoarder though and don’t borrow or rent books. So everything i read, i own. So when i read a good book that is lengthy, i feel satisfied.
BUT it’s all about quality. Small books can be amazing and you do have to consider the wider general audience. Not every one is like me , carrying a 500 page hardback in my purse 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:55 am
Wow, you must have a big purse! Haha.
I agree, that when a book is good enough to draw you in, the longer the better.
Thanks for sharing! 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:41 am
I suppose I’m the oddball. However, I’m a reader, not a writer. I love big thick books. Especially well written ones that keep my attention. Some books are fun to linger in. When they are short, sometimes I feel like I’m missing a few inches.
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March 5, 2014 at 11:53 am
Hehe. 🙂 April, I’m the same. Especially when a book creates a world and characters that you can fall in love with. That’s what I think I have – that I’m ruining. By taking my style out of it, I’m removing the warmth of the story.
Thanks for your input, and for giving me something to think about. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:36 am
It’s not about size, it’s about quality! 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:47 am
Thanks for your input 🙂 I agree!
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March 5, 2014 at 11:36 am
Are you kidding me? I used to read James Michener at 12 years old. Quality over quantity! Or smaller print. 😉
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March 5, 2014 at 11:46 am
Ah, well that would be the beauty of an e-reader – being able to change the size of the print. 🙂
Thanks for your input, Susan. Michener is great, isn’t he?
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March 5, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Yes, loved exchanging novels with my mom for years. Oh- you could also do Part 1 and Part 2 – each would be 2 inches! (sigh) just a thought.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:06 pm
I’ve thought about that. I have one natural break about a third of the way through, where I could even leave a cliffhanger. But I think it would detract from the story, and if anything, slow it down. It’s something I’m contemplating though…
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March 5, 2014 at 11:35 am
Yes, somehow a 700 page book tends to put me off (at least for a while) even if it is a e-book. Unless it has very good reviews and the first few chapters hold my interest. But my first impressions would be ‘well, I will have it in the list, and pick it up once I have more time’.
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March 5, 2014 at 11:45 am
Good to know. Thanks KG. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:35 am
I’ll be honest, since I have the attention span of a gnat now, shorter is better for me. 😆
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March 5, 2014 at 11:44 am
Haha! Thanks Bradley. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:34 am
Bahahaha. Love it. As for the size, what’s the content? I mean GRRM is over 300,000 words per book and people are excited there are seven. Even Potter by the end was a couple hundred thousand, with the first book I think starting around 70,000. On the other hand, epic fantasy is expected to be at least 100,000 words, where as currently most other genre are expected to be around 70,000 with 80,000 being acceptable sometimes.
If you feel that’s what is required, Amazon I’m pretty sure has some awesome ways to get yourself published without being told you’re too big 😉 But you’re smart. You’ll do what is right for the piece.
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March 5, 2014 at 11:43 am
If I was already well-known I’m sure I could get away with the 165K it’s currently sitting at. What is the genre? I’m leaning towards paranormal romance at the moment, though I’ll be looking for feedback on that from my beta readers.
“Twilight” was pretty thick… But then again it sparkled. 😛
Thanks for the input, Paul. Very interesting. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 12:14 pm
I’d say go for it. You’re good at hooking an audience and you know your voice best. If you feel it lessens the story, it likely does. Just watch out with people like Amazon. They can be dicks when you get big. Heard some horror stories, but I’ve also heard of a lot of success through such companies.
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March 5, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Big as in inches? or…. big as in famous?
Also, was the word “dicks” accidental? 😉
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March 5, 2014 at 12:30 pm
Amazon has screwed some people. Makes me nervous to get in bed with them. Big as in famous 😉
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March 5, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Ah Paul, you’re a master with words. 😉
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March 5, 2014 at 1:13 pm
Not sure what I did, but I’ll take credit for all of it 😛
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March 5, 2014 at 2:30 pm
🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 12:18 pm
By the way, I appreciate your confidence in me, more than I can say. 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:33 am
For me, size does not matter at all. Content however is a completely different thing. That said, I have friends that will not choose a book that’s too long. I guess what’s important is what matters to you. Smiles
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March 5, 2014 at 11:38 am
To an extent, I agree. There’s no point putting the effort in publishing something that no one will read. I may as well save my money and let my inches sit here as is on my kitchen table.
Having said that, if I’m not happy with it, no one will read it anyway. Thus, the conundrum.
You have answered my question, however. If the content is important and the size isn’t, I’m best to keep the voice I’m happy with, since I know it works and most of all, it’s readable.
Thanks very much 🙂
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March 5, 2014 at 11:40 am
It was my pleasure to respond. I always believe in following your gut instincts. Huge smiles
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March 5, 2014 at 11:50 am
Yep, you’re right. It’s usually the best way. 🙂
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